Crusading changes across time. It's not just a fixed civilizational war between X religion and Y religion.

At every point, this ought to have failed, but it doesn't. And so it looks a lot like a miracle.

Somehow we've got from, hey, let's have this movement where you go and attack enemies of Christ to, yay, let's go and destroy the biggest city in Christend.

There's poetic justice and the fact that eventually this thing just like ends up in Christian or Christian violence.

This isn't a very triumphalist heroic story, is it then?

Did I say it was?

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