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Ghost hunting couple Ed and Lorraine Warren transformed twentieth century America into an enchanted land dotted with haunted houses, cursed objects, and portals to hell. Their exploits are the basis for the Conjuring movie franchise. They are the originators of the Annabelle doll. They are the most famous demon hunters ever. Who were the Warrens? Did they make it up? Or did they believe it all?
Maddy and Anthony's guest today is Professor Joseph Laycock from Texas State University. He was our guest last week on our episode about the Amityville Horror. Joseph is the author of: The Penguin Book of Exorcisms and co-author of The Exorcist Effect: Horror, Religion, and Demonic Belief.
Edited & produced by Freddy Chick. Senior Producer is Charlotte Long.
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| 0:00.0 | It's February 1976. A few weeks ago, George and Kathy Lutz abandoned their new home at |
| 0:10.4 | 112 Ocean Avenue, Amityville, in horror. They began desperately seeking help, or rather, |
| 0:18.7 | but we know them better now, desperately seeking for |
| 0:22.1 | people to amplify and authenticate the tales they would tell. |
| 0:29.6 | It's a crisp winter morning and now standing at the bottom of the drive of that same |
| 0:34.3 | 112 Ocean Avenue are a middle-aged couple, Ed and Lorraine Warren. |
| 0:40.3 | Ed is a heavy-set man with sunken eyes and a white jacket. Lorraine holds herself very straight, |
| 0:49.3 | although there's a hint of nervous energy about her. At first glance, they seem ordinary, predictable even, respectable, certainly. |
| 1:00.1 | You would never guess that they will become some of America's most famous demon hunters. |
| 1:06.9 | Despite their somewhat bland appearance, the Warren's art master storytellers who understand well the power of their trade. |
| 1:14.6 | Beside them now is a local news crew along for the ride. |
| 1:19.6 | In the decades that follow, cameras will continue to document the Warrens and their strange, shared occupation. |
| 1:33.4 | And they welcome it, acting out their made-for-TV lives under the scrutiny of the lens. |
| 1:41.4 | Over the course of their careers, they will unearth untold numbers of so-called demons and cases of alleged possession, catch supposed ghosts on camera, and testify in court to the presence of the devil. |
| 1:48.4 | They'll amass a museum's worth of haunted memorabilia, help launch a multi-billion-dollar film franchise, |
| 1:54.6 | and answer thousands of cries for help from families across America. |
| 2:00.8 | But who were the warrants? |
| 2:02.8 | Were they cynical con artists? |
| 2:05.7 | Or did they, in fact, believe it all? |
| 2:12.8 | The Hello and welcome back to After Dark. My name's Anthony. |
| 2:39.6 | And I'm Maddie. |
| 2:40.9 | And guys, before I do my proper actual job and introduce this topic and our guest, this is wild to me because I would count myself as a horror film fan. |
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