It wasn't that he exactly lied. It was that in many cases, he shares just enough of the truth

to put a lie into the mind of a person who's listening to him. When the abuse took place,

he was her senior pastor. And it was escalating. It was, you know, went from personal emails to

intimate emails to erotic emails. Mike pressuring this woman Kim into not sleeping

with her own husband, which shows a desire for possession. You know, you're mine. You don't belong to him.

You belong to me. That is a direct assault upon the marriage. Yes. That's when Ray got a hold of me and he said, I have to defend my wife.

One woman, Sarah Monk, she worked for him.

She was a grad.

She was like a family member and she loved Mike like a father.

But then he took it to what I would call a darker.

People saw that they were closer than a 46-year-old man of God

should be with a 20-year-old student. She came there to be a disciple. She came there to be on fire

for God. She left in September of 2002 broken. The only reason we're talking about this 23

years later is because of the cover-up.

She was, for some reason, rummaging through some of our drawers and found a note, I'd written.

That is not what happened. It's high-level manipulation and lies. His response to me was,

quote, I did hear some crazy reports about six weeks ago with some wildly false charges. So right out of the

gate, he is lying to me. Oh, it was more than you said. Oh, it was bigger than you said. Oh,

it was worse than you said over and over again, even 23 years down the road. To cover up,

what you have to do is you have to victimize victims more. That's the nature of cover up.

It always does that.

In order to cover it up, you have to continue to hurt people, to deceive people.

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