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The Michael Shermer Show

The Truth About Martin Luther King Jr.

The Michael Shermer Show

Michael Shermer

Dialogue, Science, Reason, Michaelshermer, Natural Sciences, Skeptic

4.4921 Ratings

🗓️ 12 July 2023

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

Vividly written and exhaustively researched, Jonathan Eig’s King: A Life is the first major biography in decades of the civil rights icon Martin Luther King Jr. — and the first to include recently declassified FBI files. In this revelatory new portrait of the preacher and activist who shook the world, the bestselling biographer gives us an intimate view of the courageous and often emotionally troubled human being who demanded peaceful protest for his movement but was rarely at peace with himself. He casts fresh light on the King family’s origins as well as MLK’s complex relationships with his wife, father, and fellow activists. King reveals a minister wrestling with his own human frailties and dark moods, a citizen hunted by his own government, and a man determined to fight for justice even if it proved to be a fight to the death. As he follows MLK from the classroom to the pulpit to the streets of Birmingham, Selma, and Memphis, Eig dramatically re-creates the journey of a man who recast American race relations and became our only modern-day founding father — as well as the nation’s most mourned martyr.

Shermer and Eig discuss: how to write biography • the history of the King family going back to slavery, Jim Crow, etc. • the influence of King Sr. on Martin’s intellectual and emotional development and the Ebenezer Baptist Church • King’s early experience with racism in the south • King’s religious beliefs and the influence of his faith on his civil rights activism • the influence of Gandhi and Reinhold Niebuhr on King’s strategic activism and deep belief in nonviolence • King’s politics • Malcolm X • Native Americans • gay rights • accusations of plagiarism, and more…

Jonathan Eig is a former senior writer for the Wall Street Journal. He is the New York Times bestselling author of several books, including Ali: A Life; Luckiest Man: The Life and Death of Lou Gehrig; and Opening Day: The Story of Jackie Robinson’s First Season. Ken Burns calls him “a master storyteller,” and Eig’s books have been listed among the best of the year by the Washington Post, Chicago Tribune, Sports Illustrated, and Slate. He lives in Chicago with his wife and children.

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0:00.0

You're listening to the Michael Sherman Show So how do you undertake a project like this a man so statue like in his greatness?

0:31.5

How do you do what has not been said about him before and how do you tackle a project like that?

0:37.0

Well with a degree of fear and humility for sure, you know I began with the understanding that there's a problem to be solved here that we had turned him into a monument and a national holiday and lost sight of his humanity and lost sight of his controversial side that we've made him a safe figure in many ways.

0:57.0

So I really set out to try to see if I could make him real again and I began by interviewing people who knew him because there were

1:03.6

still scores of people alive who knew King and knew him well.

1:06.9

But they were getting up there in years so I had to hurry and make that my first item on

1:10.9

the agenda even before I was really feeling like I was an expert and I wasn't sure I had enough good questions but I had to hurry.

1:17.5

So I began doing those interviews as fast as I could and and looking for new archival material

1:22.0

reading everything I could and knowing that this was an audacious

1:26.2

project that was going to take me at least five or six years, which is what happened.

1:30.3

It took me six years.

1:32.3

Wow.

1:33.0

So what new materials did you uncover that hadn't been seen before and then what's still out there?

1:39.0

Well, we know many people were aware that the FBI had released a lot of new transcripts of

1:44.3

King's phone calls as well as phone calls with his of his advisors because they were

1:48.2

wiretapping not just King's home and office phones but also the homes of some of

1:52.3

his closest friends and associates.

1:54.8

But in addition to that I was really fortunate and surprised to find how much archival material

1:59.4

was out there in private collections.

2:01.6

You know King had a basically an official archivist for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference a man named Lawrence Reddick and his papers thousands and thousands of pagers were at the Schaumburg Library in boxes that hadn't been opened yet. I found

2:14.7

Jose Williams archives that had not been published or seen by too many people outside

2:21.1

his family yet. I found an unpublished autobiography that

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