Hey guys, welcome back to Skin Anarchy. This is your host, Ecta, and I'm really excited about our guest today because we're welcoming him back after a couple of years.

A lot of you might recognize his wonderful skincare brand, Osmosis. We hosted him before about it, but welcome back, Dr. Ben Johnson. I'm so excited to host you.

Oh, yeah, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you, Acta. Yeah, no, I'd love to dive in. You've been such a trailblazer, you know, in the space of skin care, obviously dermatology, but also bringing that to the OTC space and really kind of bringing products that actually work for various skin conditions. And I'd love to talk to you about that, you know, in terms of when was it in your career when you realized that traditional dermatology

and the model was kind of flawed? I mean, out of the outset, I could see that, you know,

because we all know the damaging effects of antibiotics, acutane steroids, but it just has been a

growing trend that they're using these as their only strategy and they're just never seemingly

looking for the source of skin conditions. And if you're not trying to troubleshoot and listen

to your patient about their dietary habits and what the influences those have, it can be

really disheartening for the patients. and I know a lot of your listeners have

probably had that experience so yeah the idea here was listen that's not good enough you know we're

in a day and age now where we can use our mental faculties to explore all the possible reasons why

people's skin suddenly changes and you know that's the thing It's like sudden change in your skin just to say,

oh, your body just does that. You know, what are you going to do? It doesn't work for me. And so right now,

there's, there's a few, like, epidemics, I'll call them, of skin issues. And so more needs to get out to

the consumers and your listeners that let them know that they can empower themselves here.

They don't always have to just rely on what is oftentimes unsatisfactory answers.

Yeah.

I know, you know, I love that you're saying this because there was a point where, like,

I've been doing this podcast now for four years.

And there was a point where I stopped and I was like,

there are so many outdated drugs in dermatology, I feel like.

There's so many things that are being used and they're actually damaging people in some ways

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