You're listening to Robert Wright's Non-Zero Podcast.

Hi, Rob.

Hey, both.

It's a pleasure to be back.

Good to see you again. You've been on the podcast once before.

Let me introduce this. I'm Robert Wright, publisher in Non Zero Newsletter. This is a

non-zero podcast. You are...

I'm Robert Wiblin. Yeah, I'm head of research at 80,000 hours.

And I guess for the purposes of this conversation,

my background is, I guess I've been involved in the effective actualism,

community slash movement, slash set of ideas since around 2012.

So I've seen how things have evolved over the years.

So yeah, happy to talk about it.

And we're going to talk about that.

So, yeah, so 80,000 hours, which, by the way, I recommend it's one of my favorite podcasts, which you co-hosts, is associated with the Center for Effective Altruism?

Is that still true?

Yeah, it's complicated.

It could be a little bit tedious for the audience.

I mean, the point, I guess the Center for effective altruism, my main point is it is maybe the main institutional incarnation of effective altruism, which is something we're going to talk about. I gather it was certainly it was founded by two of the main, I guess if there are three philosophers

associated with Effective Altruism, two of them founded it, right? Toby Ord and Will McCaskill,

Peter Singer being the third philosopher I had in mind. And there's some kind of connection

between it and the podcast or was or something? Right. So yes. So at the moment you've got the Center for Effective Altrism, which helps to organize Effective Outrism, community effectively. You know, it runs conferences and things like that. It's part of this legal entity called Effective Ventures, which is kind of the fiscal sponsor of the Center for Effective Atchism.

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