Hi, my name is Melissa Urban, and you're listening to Do The Thing, a

podcast where we explore what's been missing every time you've tried to make a change and make it stick.

Today my guest is Drew Manning.

He's the New York Times best-selling author. Today my guest is Drew Manning.

He's the New York Times best-selling author of Fit to Fat to Fit,

The Unexpected Lessons from Gaining and Losing 75 pounds on purpose.

And he's a leading voice in the burgeoning keto diet movement.

Drew is known for his straightforward and empathetic fitness and health coaching.

He's also one of my dearest friends here in Salt Lake City, someone I've

confided in for years about the challenges of running my own business, single

parenting, and life after divorce. And that's what we're here to talk about today in a very personal and

emotional conversation how we navigated our divorces. Our stories are

remarkably similar. Drew and I met during a period of time about five years ago when we were both in the middle of a divorce, but because our lives were very public and our spouses were also our business partners,

neither of us were sharing our separations publicly.

There were a lot of excuses made as to why our partners never showed up at social events.

Later, after we realized we were in such similar situations,

we went on to have many conversations about releasing our stories about our marriages, how to move forward without

carrying baggage from our relationships, and how to navigate things like co-parenting, dating, and self-care.

I've often said that the two-year period of my divorce and business

split was both the most stressful time in my life

and also the happiest. and that is the truth. There were a few

key factors that allowed me to have that mindset shift away from the fear,

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