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Your Money Guide on the Side

The Truth About Debt: How to Use It (And Beat It)

Your Money Guide on the Side

Tyler Gardner

Business, Education, Entrepreneurship, Investing, How To

4.9 • 2.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 April 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

And in case you missed it, check out last week's episode of Your Money Guide on the Side where we answer the question, How do I afford college for my kid?!? Is All Debt Bad? What the Wealthy Know That Most People Don’t Debt doesn’t have to be your enemy—and in this solo episode, Tyler Gardner breaks down how to make smarter decisions about debt, ditch shame, and leverage it as a tool for long-term wealth. Whether you’re currently drowning in high-interest credit cards, juggling student loans, or just debating whether to pay off your 3% mortgage early, this episode is your new north star for how to think clearly about debt. You’ll learn how to: ✅ Decide whether to pay off debt or invest✅ Use a practical ranking system to tackle your debt (hello, Debt Emergency Scale!)✅ Think about opportunity cost like an investor✅ Understand the psychological weight of debt—and why some people sleep soundly with it while others spiral✅ Use the avalanche or snowball method depending on your own wiring✅ Flip the script: how leverage (yes, debt!) can be used strategically to build wealth the way entrepreneurs and investors do every day Plus, Tyler shares a vulnerable reminder that debt isn't a moral failing—it's a part of modern life. The goal isn’t perfection. It’s clarity, action, and momentum. This one is personal. And powerful. And might just change the way you think about debt forever.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, friends. This is Tyler Gardner, welcoming you to another episode of your money guide on the side,

0:06.1

where it is my job to simplify what seems complex, add nuance to what seems simple, and learn from

0:12.0

and alongside some of the brightest minds in money, finance, and investing. So let's get started

0:17.6

and get you one step closer to where you need to be. In this episode, we are going to tackle the universally applicable topic of debt.

0:27.7

Rich, poor, old, young, we will all face it.

0:32.4

Or we have already faced moments in which we are either in debt or are thinking about going into debt or struggling

0:38.3

daily trying to climb out of debt and wondering how the heck anybody manages to do so while

0:44.4

still being able to put food on the table. So let me start here as a lifelong reminder. If you are

0:49.9

experiencing debt or have experienced it in the past, you are not a bum and you're not somehow

0:55.5

less than someone sitting next to you who has not experienced debt or who has less debt.

1:01.5

More frequently than not, those of us who experience debt early in our lives experience it

1:06.9

because of the good old birth lottery. You know, that thing over which we had no control,

1:13.3

no choice, that random chaos that created me at birth to parents who were unchosen by me,

1:19.2

to a place that was unknown by me, and to a money situation and environment that certainly

1:24.4

had nothing to do with me or my vain attempts to sell lemonade at 10 years

1:28.9

old to the neighbors. Early debt, particularly, is often a product of our environment, just as early

1:35.1

privilege is often a part of our environment. But that does not give us an excuse to not learn more

1:42.5

about debt, to think critically about debt, and to do everything

1:46.8

we can to understand our own personal and optimal relationships with debt.

1:52.3

Because to spoil one punchline early, all debt is not created equal, and all those in debt

1:58.4

are not experiencing the same response to debt. I know people who have

2:02.5

zero assets and are wildly in debt. And I know multi-millionaires who take on immense amounts

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