I think you have to go back to your identity and who gods made you to be and on that no matter

what anybody else is doing. Like put up your blinders and really focus on you and your business.

And I feel like Evie and I are like the absolute perfect example of this because we were both

photographers serving a very similar, you could argue that we were like the same as I mean our

personalities are very similar. We were like direct competition from a upward perspective.

Outward perspective there was no other competitor to me than Evelyn Ruff.

You're listening to She with Jordan Lee Dooley, a personal development podcast for the

Everyday Woman. Come invited, leave ignited. Here's your host Jordan Lee Dooley.

Hey Lindsay, hey Evie, welcome to She. Hello. Thanks for having us. This is so fun. I am so thrilled

to have you guys. It's so funny. I feel like we've been talking about doing this for like a year

so it is a long overdue interview but we are here finally. We talk so much like outside of

podcasts and it's just hard to like get everyone at the same time to record what we're here and I'm

so thankful just to have you. I think this is going to be a really insightful and valuable

conversation because I know probably a lot of listeners have seen us be friends online or you

know be at conferences together or share each other's stuff or you know all of the above. But they

haven't really got to listen into a whole lot of conversations of ours and I think this is

something that is important to talk about. But before we dig into all that we're going to talk

about today, especially kind of around owning your faith in the professional and business space and

all of that, I'd love if you can just each share a little of your background and let you to

creating the heart university and doing what you do now to help entrepreneurs. Yeah, absolutely.

So I'll go first. So this is Lindsay. I am one half of the heart with Evie and my journey kind of

started. I would say I always grew up wanting to do art of some form and storytell and that kind

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