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The Brian Lehrer Show

The Trump World Order

The Brian Lehrer Show

WNYC

Politics, News, News Commentary, Wnyc, Radio, Npr, Arts, New, Lerer, Media, Bryan, Nyc, Daily News, York, Public

4.61.5K Ratings

🗓️ 22 January 2026

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

How President Trump is trying to rearrange the world order to look more like the 19th century and the dangers that lie ahead if continues to succeed.

Transcript

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0:00.0

It's the Brian Lera Show on WNYC.

0:13.1

Good morning, everyone.

0:14.2

We'll continue on the big global story that's dominating the news right now.

0:18.1

Yes, President Trump at the World Economic Forum in Davos announcing

0:22.1

he has a deal of some kind on Greenland. Details remain vague. He established a so-called Board of

0:28.9

Peace, Donald J. Trump, chairman for life. And maybe more importantly, in the biggest picture sense,

0:35.3

he continued the abolition of the U.S.-led world order

0:38.4

that has existed basically since World War II. It's that bigger picture and its implications

0:44.0

for global security, which you've been hearing a lot about, but also American prosperity

0:49.0

that will focus on here as well as some of the developments that continue to break. Maybe the most

0:54.4

important clip to play is not of Trump himself at Davos, but of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney,

1:01.5

whose much-noticed speech included this. Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture,

1:08.6

not a transition. Great powers have begun using economic integration as weapons.

1:14.6

Tariffs is leverage.

1:16.6

Financial infrastructure is coercion, supply chains as vulnerabilities to be exploited.

1:21.6

And he didn't say Trump or even necessarily the United States, but it was obvious what and who he was talking about.

1:28.3

And among other implications, as reported on Morning Edition today, Canada is buying electric vehicles

1:34.0

from China on the premise that China is a more reliable trading partner now than the United

1:40.6

States. How different is that from any world you've known before? One example of

1:44.9

the American prosperity implications as well. We'll get a take on all this from Robert Kagan,

1:50.9

contributing writer at the Atlantic, historian and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution,

1:56.3

well known for decades as a leading neo-conservative, though I think he prefers the term

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