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It doesn't look like it's even going to work on paper,

but imagine trying to force those huge movements of population or militaries in the real world,

in potentially a continuing battlefield zone.

That's the reality of the idea of territorial swaps already flat out rejected here by

Ukraine. A tough political ask, an impossible military ask you might argue. And that really leaves

people so anxious here that if the bedrock of these talks potentially is territorial swaps,

and that is impractical and unsellable here.

What possibly could Trump emerge from that meeting with?

That's CNN's reporting yesterday. I've heard a lot of different reporting and a lot of different

angles, of course, because this came together really fast and we have no idea how it's going

to go or really even what the topic matter is going to be.

Let's discuss with Justin Logan, Director of Defense and Foreign Policy Studies at the Cato Institute.

Justin's take might differ somewhat from ours, but he has at least an idea from judging from his recent piece of how a settlement might

look at the title of the piece is the key to success at trump putt and laska summit on ukraine

low expectations justin logan joins us now justin how are you sir just fine good morning uh low

expectations i think is absolutely an appropriate stance as we don't see much overlap

at all between Putin's goals for the territory of Ukraine and Ukraine's certainly.

Yeah, I mean, the underlying and unhappy, unfortunate act of the matter is that Russia is

in a relatively stronger position on the battlefield than Ukraine is. And that makes Russia both more

willing to continue the conflict and less willing to compromise diplomatically. So Trump has a very difficult task here, which is to see

whether a peace can be produced that isn't disastrous from Ukraine's point of view. And that,

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