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Worldly

The Trump-Fox News-white nationalist feedback loop

Worldly

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.41.8K Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2018

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

Zack, Jenn, and Alex talk about Trump’s late-night tweet about the alleged persecution of white South African farmers. They explain what’s actually happening in South Africa, how Trump’s take on the situation has its roots in an international white nationalist movement, and how Fox News is helping turn these extreme ideas into actual US foreign policy. On Elsewhere, they discuss the recent revelation that Iran has been engaging in a Russia-style disinformation campaign on social media — and why the US can’t seem to fight back against foreign meddling in its politics. Alex recalls his old AOL screen name, Zack reveals a little too much about what the word “cyber” means to him, and Jenn leavens a dark episode with talk of cute cats and dogs. References: Jenn’s piece on President Trump’s South Africa tweet, which we reference throughout the episode. Jenn mentioned that experts contest this narrative. Here are several pieces from Quartz, the New Statesman, and the BBC that dig into that idea further. If you’d like to read more about apartheid in South Africa, this Smithsonian piece is a good place to start. We quoted this tweet from President Trump and this tweet from the South African government, and mentioned this Ann Coulter tweet. Jenn touched on the group that pushes this narrative about white South African farmers under attack, but you can read more about them in this HuffPost piece. More background on Charleston, South Carolina, shooter Dylann Roof. Zack gave a shout-out to Carlos Maza’s Strikethrough video about white supremacists and Tucker Carlson. Jenn mentioned this Guardian piece walking through the journey this narrative took from South Africa to the far right. For Elsewhere, we played a clip from this interview with John Bolton. Here’s a deeper dive into the fake Iranian and Russian accounts. Jenn gave a specific example of a fake Iranian account calling out a Republican candidate for Holocaust denial. For more on the Iranian accounts impersonating Bernie Bros, this Daily Beast piece is a good resource. Alex mentioned Stuxnet, and the hacking of both a dam and JP Morgan. Alex also said that various officials feel they have no real directive from the president on cyber initiatives. Here’s more on that. If you want to know a little more about how vulnerable to cyber threats we really are, Alex recommends this piece. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to your weekly dose of worldly. I'm Zak Beachham here with Jen Williams and Alex Ward.

0:13.0

Hi.

0:14.0

Hello.

0:15.0

So as you probably know, Tucker Carlson is a Fox News host with a habit of making some racially

0:20.6

controversial statements.

0:22.0

For months he's been telling a pretty

0:23.3

inaccurate story about white farmers in South Africa being brutally

0:26.6

murdered and losing their land. South Africa is a diverse country but the

0:31.0

South African government would like to make it much less diverse.

0:35.2

In embattled minority of farmers, mostly Afrikaans speaking, is being targeted in a wave of

0:40.5

barbaric and horrifying murders.

0:43.0

But instead of protecting them, the government just passed a law allowing it to seize their farms without any compensation based purely on their ethnicity and distribute those farms to more favored groups.

0:54.0

So this isn't quite right and we'll dig into the reasons why in a second, but first, Jen, you brought this up as a possible worldly segment during our planning

1:04.3

meetings earlier this week and we were all like that's interesting but maybe off the

1:07.7

news cycle. Yeah and then on Wednesday night President Trump tweeted this.

1:14.3

Quote, I have asked Secretary of State Pompeo

1:16.9

to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures

1:20.2

and appropriations and the largescale killing of farmers.

1:23.0

And then he quotes,

1:25.0

South African government is now seizing land from white farmers at Tucker Carlson at Fox News.

1:30.0

Okay, so you were right that we should have been paying attention to this because now the president is

1:34.1

tweeting about it. But before we talk about Trump and his role in all this, let's go back to Tucker Carlson

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