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Worldly

Deal or no deal

Worldly

Vox Media Podcast Network

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.41.8K Ratings

🗓️ 30 August 2018

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Zack and Alex are joined by a special guest — Weeds host Dara Lind — to discuss the way President Trump makes deals with foreign countries. They break down the big news of the week on nuclear negotiations with North Korea and NAFTA talks with Mexico and Canada, and point to a common thread: Trump announces an agreement that doesn’t actually solve the problem it’s supposed to, and might not even work, forcing his aides to scramble and clean up the mess. Zack channels Jenn while she’s on vacation, Dara explains NAFTA by referencing Avril Lavigne, and Alex explains that 2 and 3 are different numbers. References! We dig into Alex’s reporting this episode. Here’s his full piece on the promises made at the North Korea summit in Singapore. And here are the four points Alex also mentioned. The whole team discussed this piece out of Tokyo Business Today. Dara’s been on Worldly since, but here’s the episode she mentioned where they talk about the rise of Trump’s war cabinet: Dara gave us a quick primer on NAFTA, but if you’d like to go into more depth, Zack recommends this piece. Alex started to dig into some of the details about the new NAFTA negotiations. You can read more about those here. As Dara mentioned, the NAFTA “deadline” of Friday is set by an artificial concern: The three countries want to ink a deal with the current president of Mexico, Enrique Peña Nieto, before he leaves office December 1. More on the Canadian and US all-night negotiations that Dara mentioned. Alex and Dara brought up Trump’s beef with Canadian dairy. Zack described this Cabinet meeting, and we heard Jeff Sessions speak. Dara reminded us that Trump is extremely over Sessions, because he doesn’t think Sessions’s praise is pleasing enough to the ear (apparently the AG “talks like he has marbles in his mouth”). We quoted the final Trump-Clinton debate twice. Here’s a full annotated transcript of that debate. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello and welcome to Worldly. It's me, Zach Beecham, here as usual with Alex Ward.

0:14.0

Jen Williams is on a richly earned vacation, but we've got the excellent Dara Lind from the weeds

0:18.7

with us. Hello, Alex and Dara.

0:20.7

You! Hey, Dara! So, and you two listeners.

0:25.0

Hello to you guys too.

0:26.5

So today we're going to talk about Trump's deals.

0:30.3

He loves deals. But when he was running for president he liked to tear down the agreements that the United States had made with other countries like during this debate with Hillary Clinton.

0:39.0

We have horrible deals. Our jobs are being taken out by the deal that her husband signed.

0:43.7

NAFTA, one of the worst deals ever.

0:45.8

But in the past two years we've seen Trump try to make deals like his own version of

0:50.1

an actual deal and there's this sort of template that's emerged in his negotiations.

0:54.3

The president gets another country to agree to something minor. He then claims on

0:57.6

Twitter or in some PR availability that he's solved the entire problem and then his aides have to clean up the obvious mess that

1:04.4

this situation creates. And we saw this a lot in the past week because there was

1:08.4

big deal news on two fronts, the nuclear negotiations with North Korea, and conversations with Mexico and

1:14.3

Canada about NAFTA.

1:16.4

This week we'll dig into how the revelations on each of those issues illustrates the real

1:21.9

art of the Trump deal.

1:23.0

Let's start with North Korea.

1:25.0

Alex, why don't you kick us off with what the news this week actually was?

1:28.0

Sure, so it turns out based on some reporting that I guess did.

1:33.0

Not I guess, you did do it.

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