Hey folks, Joyce Vance here. Preet and I are out with a new episode of The Insider podcast.

Today we discuss President Trump's appeal of his criminal conviction in New York,

stemming from the Supreme Court's presidential immunity decision.

Then we break down Attorney General Pam Bondi's announcement that DOJ is reviewing former

President Biden's use of an auto pen for pardons.

Finally, we turn to the National Guard cases moving toward the Supreme Court.

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So let's move on to another issue that is interesting.

If you ask me to anticipate at the beginning of the term, whether this legal issue would

rear its head, I don't know that I would have predicted it.

And that is a sort of simmering challenge to the Biden pardons for all sorts of folks on the basis

that those pardons were done by Autopen and therefore, I guess, the argument goes, they

weren't directed by President Biden. It merges with the argument that Biden wasn't a sound

mind and body, that he had cognitive decline, et cetera, et cetera. And so those pardons are null

and void. Even though generally speaking, the pardon power is considered to be one of the most

unmitigated powers that a president can have. Do we explain

what an autopen is? You know, an auto pen is sort of the modern evolution of the rubber stamp,

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