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Deadline: White House

"The Trump administration’s beef with the Pope Leo”

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Politics, News, Ms Now, Government, Nicolle Wallace, Daily News, Msnbc, Versant, The White House, Washington Dc

4.56.4K Ratings

🗓️ 14 April 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

As war and political violence continue to engulf the news cycle, Pope Leo is speaking out on behalf of the church – and the Trump administration is biting back.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. It's 4 o'clock in New York. So J.D. Vance has entered the chat and is

0:11.5

offering the world's Catholics proof that he just might be as politically toxic as his caricature

0:16.8

suggests, this time by extending Donald Trump's war with the Catholic Church and the world's

0:21.9

first American Pope. Vance, who was going to release a book about converting to Catholicism in two

0:27.9

months, taking his turn in the ring against Pope Leo after Donald Trump managed to anger

0:33.5

religious leaders inside his own political coalition. Vance lobbed shut up and dribble like

0:39.3

insults at the Pope by suggesting the Pope stick to the moral stuff. I certainly think that in some

0:46.7

cases it would be best for the Vatican to stick to matters of morality, to stick to matters of, you know, what's going on to the Catholic Church, and let the President of United States stick to dictating American public policy. But when they're in conflict, they're in conflict. I don't worry about it too much, Brett. I think it's a natural thing. I'm sure it'll happen in the future, and it's not that big of a deal that it happened in the past.

1:16.3

Really? Because that's the same, J.D. Vance, who said this six months ago.

1:25.2

I think the most important principle that we have got to remember is you do not. You do not have to completely kick God out of the public square, which is what we've done

1:28.6

in modern America. It's not what the founders wanted. It's not good for the United States of

1:33.1

America. And anybody who tells you it's required by the Constitution is lying to you.

1:39.8

It would be insane and crazy and a dramatic about face, but we do always have to remember that

1:46.6

that is the person who now works for a guy he once called, quote, America's Hitler and, quote,

1:54.1

cultural heroin. New York Times reports this. Pope Leo, quote, has a native fluency in American

2:00.1

politics and culture, and his leadership

2:02.5

is supported across broad swath to the American church. Pope Leo has growing support from

2:08.2

conservative Catholics in pews across the United States. As the anniversary of his election

2:13.5

approaches next month, he has so significantly rebuilt the Vatican's relationship with the American

2:19.0

Catholic right that many in Donald Trump's own camp rushed to the Pope's defense on Monday.

2:26.0

And if the attacks against the Pope are not enough, Donald Trump's posting of an AI image of himself

2:32.1

as Jesus Christ was indeed the straw that broke the

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