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🗓️ 31 July 2020
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Race plays out differently in every friendship. And not all interracial relationships involve a Black person and a white person, but ours does.
As Wesley Morris wrote in his memorable review of the forgettable movie Ted 2:
"For people of color, some aspect of friendship with white people involves an awareness that you could be dropped through a trapdoor of racism at any moment, by a slip of the tongue, or at a campus party, or in a legislative campaign. But it’s not always anticipated. You don’t expect the young white man who’s been seated alongside you in a house of worship to take your life because you’re black. Nor do you expect that a movie about an obscene teddy bear would invoke a sexual stereotype forced upon you the way Kunta Kinte was forced to become “Toby.” "
Wesley talked with Aminatou about the trapdoors of interracial friendship, Joe Biden, friend breakups, and yes, Ted 2, in an interview we recorded while writing Big Friendship in 2019.
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Wesley Morris is a critic-at-large for The New York Times and the co-host of one of our favorite podcasts, Still Processing.
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0:00.0 | Welcome to Call Your Girlfriend. |
0:04.3 | A podcast for long distance besties everywhere. |
0:07.3 | I'm Amina Tussaud. |
0:09.0 | And I'm Anne Friedman. |
0:11.4 | Hi Anne Friedman. |
0:13.2 | Hello Amina Tussaud. |
0:15.4 | And these troubled times in this strange moment, |
0:20.2 | in these difficult days. |
0:23.4 | You sound like every website I'm trying to buy clothes on. |
0:26.4 | Due to COVID-19. |
0:28.4 | Also literally every email I feel like every professional |
0:32.7 | email has some equivalent of that. |
0:36.7 | And it's like, are you talking about the pandemic? |
0:39.8 | Are you talking about the fact that some people only |
0:42.0 | started talking about race right now? |
0:43.6 | Are you talking about both of those things? |
0:45.4 | What's happening? |
0:47.3 | Yeah, it's hard to tell which one is due to COVID-19 |
0:50.0 | and which one is due to racism. |
0:51.8 | Yeah. |
0:52.8 | Due to rampant and not at all new racism. |
0:56.2 | Woo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo-hoo. |
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