Welcome back to the podcast. Today I am delighted to be joined by Richard McCann, a man who's

faced unimaginable tragedy and found the strength to forgive. Now at just five years old,

Richard's mother was brutally murdered by the serial killer Peter Sutcliffe, of course known as the Yorkshire Ripper. In the aftermath, Richard's mother was brutally murdered by the serial killer Peter Sutcliffe, of course known as the

Yorkshire Ripper. In the aftermath, Richard injured further hardship, including a really difficult

home life and personal struggles, but through it all, he managed to not only survive, but to

ultimately find the courage to forgive his mother's killer. He made the conscious decision to forgive

Sutcliffe, liberating himself in the process. Now, I really admire Richard's outlook on life

and the way he spreads his really important message through his speaking in books. I immediately

warmed to Richard when we first connected, and I know anyone can take so

much from what he has to share. Here is Richard McCann.

Richard, a pleasure to have you on the podcast. How are you, sir? I'm relatively good. I've had

a few challenges in the last few days, not least the technology

today, but we've got there. So, you know, on the whole, I'm doing well. About eight out

of ten, maybe seven and a half. Seven and a half out of ten. Well, that's wonderful.

Richard, it's a real pleasure to have you on. You've had an incredible life, so many lessons,

and you parlay that now into being a very in-demand speaker. And I wanted to start by asking, how do you look at your life and where

you are now? How do I look at the life that I've had and where I am right now? I'm not sure that I do

necessarily look back and think about my life too often and think about where I am right now. I'm not sure that I do necessarily look back

and think about my life too often

and think about where I am now.

I've just, to some degree,

just let almost nature take its course.

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