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Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Tragedy of Picking Sides in the Israel-Palestine Conflict

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 17 October 2023

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

This is our second episode on the war between Israel and Hamas. Today’s guest is Peter Beinart. Peter Beinart is a professor at CUNY of journalism and political science, the editor at large of Jewish Currents, and the author of The Beinart Notebook newsletter. I don’t know another Jewish author who writes and speaks with as much eloquent anguish over this issue. Israel is an idea and a country so worth defending, and also the way Israel defends itself is so often inexcusable. It is almost impossible to keep both ideas in one’s head. We’re going to try. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Peter Beinart Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

What would you do if you got scammed?

0:03.4

Would you suffer in silence or would you do something about it?

0:07.0

Well, I got scammed once, and this is the story of what I did.

0:10.9

I'm Justin Sales, the host of the Wedding Scamer,

0:13.5

a true crime podcast from the Rinner, and for seven episodes,

0:16.9

we're hunting a comment, a guy with a lot of aliases,

0:20.4

a guy who's ruined a lot of weddings, and with the help of some friends,

0:24.0

I just might be able to catch him.

0:26.0

Listen to the Wedding Scamer starting October 17th.

0:32.4

Today is our second episode on the war that is developing

0:36.8

between Israel and Hamas in the Gaza Strip,

0:39.3

following a terrorist attack that killed more than 1,000 people.

0:43.5

Last week, in something of an emergency pod,

0:46.0

we analyzed the causes of the Hamas terrorist attack.

0:49.7

The main question of last week's episode was,

0:52.5

why now? And my guess answer or their theory of an answer,

0:56.5

which remains unproven, is that Hamas chose this moment to strike

1:00.7

after a long preparation period, in part because of the impression

1:04.5

that Israel was getting close to signing more treaties with Arab states,

1:08.6

even as the state continued to expand its settlements in the West Bank

1:13.3

and its blockade of Gaza.

1:16.0

And this impression of Israel building alliances throughout the Middle East,

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