Hello, ladies and gentlemen. This is the Victor Davis Hanson Show, the traditionalist.

Indeed, it's a very special edition of the traditional Islam Jack Fowler on the host,

or on me later. Victor Davis Hanson is the Martin and Eli Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution,

the Wayne and Marsha Busky Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College.

He's the author of the Dying Citizen. That's not the forthcoming Dying Citizen, as we've been mentioning for weeks and weeks.

It is now out. The Dying Citizen, the subtitle is, how progressable eats tribalism and globalization are destroying the idea of America.

Those of you who feel the fingernails on the blackboard hearing my voice, guess what? There's good news.

Someone else is going to take over the baton for this conversation with Victor about this very important book.

This is the first of two podcasts that will be dedicated strictly to the discussion of the Dying Citizen.

I'll tell you about them right after this message. We're back with the Victor Davis Hanson Show, the traditionalist.

We are discussing today and in our next podcast, the classicist, exclusively the Dying Citizen.

I'm a very lucky man, not only am I a friend, Victor, but a friend of Daniel J. Mahoney, Professor Emeritus at Assumption College,

and Dan is here to discuss with Victor this very important book. Let me tell you a little bit about Dan before we hand over the intellectual aspect of this conversation to him.

And Victor, Dan is a senior fellow at the Real Clear Foundation. He received his doctorate at Catholic University. He's written a ton of books. One of them is Bertrand de Juvenile, the conservative liberal and the illusions of modernity.

Dan is, I think it's fair to say the world's top scholar on Alexander Solzen Eatson, one of his books is the other Solzen Eatson telling the truth about a misunderstood writer and thinker.

And three years ago, Dan wrote a book that encountered published very widely acclaimed the idol of our age, how the religion of humanity subverts Christianity and in the encounter on Dex Circle, Dan's next book, it's out next in the spring 2022.

The statesman as thinker portraits of greatness, courage and moderation, Dan, he writes occasionally for national review regularly for law and liberty and of course, Real Clear. Dan, it's a great privilege and honored. Have you, dear friend from for 40 years and Victor to engage in this really important books of Dan.

I think it would be best to get this started by you giving an overview of the book you are reviewing it for national reviews, maybe a synopsis of your review and then you've got half an hour to talk with Victor about why this book is really vital and important.

Well, this book really is vital and important and I would say that it has the great merit of combining a very searching and accurate and provocative and compelling account of our present situation with a really deeper reflection on the nature and crisis of citizenship and that one that draws on Victor's long standing reflection on the intellectual.

The moral foundations of Western civilization beginning in the Greek world, I noticed upon reading this book how many of the themes that Victor had introduced in his 1995 book, The Other Greeks is present here.

So it draws on a rich reservoir of the theoretical historical understanding and learning while very much I think illuminating our situation, the dying citizen, I think we have to be very careful, the dying citizen is not the dead citizen.

The citizenship still lives if more and more residual in the United States, but if we really understand what citizenship is, citizenship in a bounded territorial community, if we understand as I think as Victor Devasanson points out so well that the citizen is not the mere resident.

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