One of the most dangerous myths in our society is that people want to be free.

People absolutely don't want to be free. That's the problem. They don't want to be free.

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Hello, everyone, Chris Martinson, Peak Prosperity. Really excited to sit down and have this conversation that you're about to see.

This is with Matthias Desmet.

We had them on a couple of years ago.

Before I fully introduce him, here's the context.

We're at this Brownstone conference. And in three days, it's going to be Tuesday elections

in the United States.

So who better to talk to about mass formation, about totalitarianism, nobody.

And I'm really excited to be able to do this in person.

We stuck some time in here amongst a very packed schedule.

So, Matthias, thank you for being here here so good to meet you and be on the person

yes so where do we start you know I was really taken by that

your framework was three years ago now I guess it must have been close to

and the idea that mass formation, roughly speaking, 30% fall for it, 40, 50% don't know which way to go, some percent don't fall for it.

Would you change that framing at all?

And what does this mean mean fall for it?

Fall for the mass formation.

What does that mean? Yes, well.

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