Hello, everybody, and welcome to three-point perspective, the podcast of Out Illustration,

how to do it, how to make a living at it, and head on making an impact in the world with your art.

I'm Anthony Wheeler.

I'm Lee White.

And I'm Samantha Cotterill, and let's jump into it.

No, no, we're not jumping anything.

Speaking of jumping into things, we're jumping out of our work weeks this week.

How was your guys' work week?

Anything good?

It's fun happening.

It's just plain chaos.

Yeah, I had the chaos of lead last week, and now I have a different chaos, but it's a fresh air chaos.

It feels really good.

One of the things we were talking about before we jumped on the recording here is that it's

just hard to balance everything as an independent contractor.

I mean, I've got illustrations for myself that I'm doing.

I've got a class that I'm doing in the middle of a

workshop right now, which that's what Sam was talking about a second ago. Like, it is exhausting

to be in the middle of a workshop because there is tons of stuff you have to respond to and,

and keep track of, make sure that the assignments are actually going where you want them to go.

And then there's all the other live stuff if you have kids and lives and stuff, you know, Dennis appointments and car appointments and all this. I don't know how people do it. That was my takeaway. Yeah. It's like I can pick like one or two things, but Jake said the other day a perfect analogy with like he's just always juggling and a couple of the balls are starting to drop that's still how I feel because I want I've got all these images I want to make that's sort of

the baseline but then I've got all these responsibilities that what I'm doing and then I'm doing an

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