Welcome to the Edge of Sports podcast. I'm Dave Ziron. This is the week of Martin Luther King Day, a time to remember a person who tried to teach us what it would be like to live in a world without the hatreds that tear us apart. It is also the week that we will be protesting the inauguration of someone whose hatreds drip from his skin like cheap bronzer, Donald Trump.

That is why today you will hear an interview with one of the finest people I know,

1968 Olympian John Carlos, who will speak about the Dr. King he knew and that Donald Trump

he has no interest in knowing.

Thank you. Trump, he has no interest in knowing. We did this as part of the MLK celebrations in front of 400 awesome high school students

at Middlesex in Concord, Massachusetts.

Special young people and a special day and stirring words of resistance that makes the past

not feel so very past.

And I have some choice words about Giannis Antetocumpo, aka the Greek freak,

the absurdly talented small forward of the Milwaukee Bucks,

and why we need to not only cheer for this brilliant young player,

but defend him from political violence.

And we have a very special Kaepernick watch for you.

But first, let's get to Dr. John Carlos on Dr. Martin Luther King.

Now, this is the time of year where we commemorate the life and the memory of Dr. Martin Luther King.

And I think for a lot of folks, for myself as well growing up, being born in the 1970s, like Dr. King

was not a flesh and blood human being. He was more of this, like an idea. And you're someone,

though, who actually met and spoke with Dr. Martin Luther King in 1968. And I was hoping you could tell these students about what that was like to meet Dr. King,

the circumstances of that meeting and what your assessment of his character was on a one-on-one level.

Very interesting.

I just left the state of Texas.

The social climate in Texas was not

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