Yes, yes, welcome into the Tim McEarn and show on the Inside STL PODCAST Network, and we have a rare

treat for you. It used to be weekly. When we started the podcast, October 1st, 2017, every week,

every week for two and a half years, approximately, I guess, just shy of two and a half years,

every week. We had a new guest. I think we did two part interviews over the course of that

time. But every week, interviews, and then the pandemic hit, and my reasoning for pulling off

the every week interviews was because I just didn't think if it was somebody I really didn't have a

rapport with, you can get that same comfort level. And therefore, quality of interview,

via Zoom, or certainly via phone. I think I did maybe two interviews, Thysman and a guy who

was a founder of ESPN over the phone in a pre-pandemic on the podcast. But anyway, my Clayborne

does not fall into the category of someone I don't have a rapport with. I have known him since

I think 1998. I think that is when I met him, and that's when I was interning at KFNS.

And he was the program director in the afternoon drive host. And so, Claves and I, in 2018,

at Spring Training, he came over to our place, and I said, hey, we're just going to do

something with podcasts and want to talk for two hours. I mean, just there's nobody around,

it's the exact same table at which I'm sitting right now as a matter of fact. And we just went,

and I don't know how long. That's a great interview. I would go back and listen to that too.

Well, we're just able to just kind of flow. And we could do that on a phone. We could do that

in an interview setting in a studio, and we could certainly do it via Zoom. And that is what we have

for you here today. In kind of a concerted effort amongst our entities, this podcast will play

on Claiborne's site, clavesonline.com. And it will also play on my podcast network inside STL.

And I believe Claves wanted to release it in two parts. And so, cool with me, whatever he wants to do.

Doesn't really change anything. I think it's around two hours. And I think that what you're

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