On this episode of American Thought Leaders, it is a disaster waiting to happen because TikTok,

though the company denies it, is fundamentally obligated to follow the laws that were created

by the Chinese Communist Party. Today is set down with Jeffrey Cain, an award-winning journalist,

technologist, and author of The Perfect Police State and undercover Odyssey into China's

terrifying surveillance dystopia of the future. Everybody was constantly being watched by an

artificial intelligence system, which was called the IJOK. Cain recently testified before the

U.S. Senate about TikTok and why he believes it's a unique national security threat.

This is an example of censorship, not only are we discriminating against the poor and people

who don't look super attractive, but it was being used to tow the party line to suppress

news about human rights abuses in China. This is American Thought Leaders, and I'm Yanya Kelly.

Jeffrey Cain, such a pleasure to have you on American Thought Leaders.

Jeffrey Cain, thank you for having me on.

Jeffrey, I've wanted to have you on the show ever since you put out The Perfect Police State,

which is an absolutely amazing book, and we'll definitely talk about this. Before we go there,

though, you just recently were in the Senate giving testimony about social media and national

security issues specifically around TikTok and how it functions in the U.S. and, frankly,

around the world. Tell me, what did you find?

Jeffrey Cain, oh, so much. The problem with TikTok is that it is a national security threat

to the United States and to countries outside of China. It is a disaster waiting to happen,

because TikTok, though the company denies it, is fundamentally obligated to follow the laws

of China, the laws that were created by the Chinese Communist Party.

So here's how TikTok works. It's an app that it's extremely popular among generation Z users.

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