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Today we have a very special podcast and a return visitor. I think the last time I introduced him, I said he was technically my boss at AI and he took Umbridge at that.

I guess I will just say full-throttily is my boss at AI or one of my bosses at AI. I have many masters there.

I just don't want to disparage Robert Dore who is not only a handsome man but a powerful man.

And technically the president of AI. And technically the president of AI. Both De facto and Dejairee president of AI.

We have my friend and colleague Yvall Levin who has a new book out which I highly highly highly recommend.

I time to build from family and community to Congress in the campus how recommitting to our institutions can revive the American dream. You all welcome.

Thank you very much for having me.

So I'll sort of pick up where our last conversation more or less left off and sort of make a blanket point to listeners.

What about Colin Kaepernick, Elizabeth Holmes, the lady, the fraudster from Theranos, Alexandria, Acacia Cortez, Bernie Sanders, Donald Trump and Ann Coulter all have in common.

The answer is that these are people who have to one extent or another, some with greater success than others, master the art of using institutions that they were associated with, either as a party or a business, as platforms for which they could succeed often to the detriment of the institutions that they were standing upon.

And that's one of the themes of Yvall's book is how our understanding of institutions and the role they play in our society has sort of changed before our eyes and a lot of the things that we lament about today's politics and today's culture are a direct result of that.

Is that fair?

Yeah, absolutely. That's exactly right. It's a book that tries to think about some of the problems we're having in our country through this lens of institutions.

And argues exactly that and a lot of institutions we find people who should be insiders formed and molded by the institution's definition of its purpose and integrity instead acting like outsiders standing on top of it to be seen in a broader culture war.

And that's happening in our politics. It's happening in the professions and the media and the academy.

And it has a lot to do with the public's loss of confidence in institutions that in turn has a lot to do with the other problems we're living through.

And so how did this happen?

The answer in a census, of course, everything that's happened since the Second World War adds up to this picture. But I think that if we look at how the public's attitude toward what our institutions do has changed, I think it has to do, first of all, with the broad fragmentation of American life in recent decades from a very cohesive consensus,

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