The Third Way: Beyond Toxic and Beta Masculinity with Isaac Wathen • 422
Mind Love™ • Consciousness, Spirituality, and Science for Awakening
Melissa Monte | Conscious Coach
4.9 • 906 Ratings
🗓️ 7 October 2025
⏱️ 62 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, you'll discover:
- Why your body rebels when you're living someone else's script
- The third option between toxic masculinity and invisible masculinity
- How real masculine power actually improves intimate relationships
What if the price of being the "good guy" is losing yourself completely?
I'm so tired of hearing women complain about where all the good men are. You know what I think? They're out there. They're just so busy trying not to be toxic that they've made themselves invisible. We've swung from one extreme to another. Now instead of dealing with assholes, we're dating ghosts.
You've got two terrible options in the dating world. Door number one: the obvious red flags who think emotions are for weaklings and leadership means being the loudest jackass in the room. Door number two: guys who are so terrified of taking up space that there's nothing actually there. Sure, they're nice. Sure, they're safe. But they're also the type to suggest going Dutch on the first date because making any kind of move feels too risky.
Men are killing themselves at three times the rate of women, but they won't ask for help. And honestly? I get it. The message they're getting is confusing as hell. Be vulnerable but not weak. Be strong but not aggressive. Lead but don't be controlling. No wonder they're paralyzed.
The thing is, we're all paying for this mess. When the men in our lives are walking around dead inside, our relationships suffer. Our kids learn that strength means shutting down. Everyone loses when half the population is too scared to show up authentically.
Carl Jung wrote about the wounded healer. The person whose deepest pain becomes their greatest gift. A lot of men have learned to be incredibly sensitive to everyone else's feelings because they've completely numbed their own. They'll bend over backwards to make you happy while slowly suffocating inside.
Today our guest is Isaac Wathen, a men's coach who helps guys move from people-pleasing to actual leadership. After his own health crisis forced him to face how disconnected he'd become, Isaac figured out how to reclaim masculine power without becoming a total dick about it.
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| 0:00.0 | What if the price of being the good guy is losing yourself completely? |
| 0:07.8 | I'm so tired of hearing women complain about where all the good men are. |
| 0:12.5 | You know what I think? They're out there. |
| 0:15.1 | They're just so busy trying to not be toxic that they've made themselves invisible. |
| 0:20.6 | We've swung from one extreme to another. |
| 0:23.6 | So now instead of dealing with assholes, or dating ghosts, |
| 0:27.6 | you have two terrible options in the dating world. |
| 0:31.6 | Door number one, the obvious red flags who think emotions are for weaklings, |
| 0:36.6 | and leadership means being the loudest |
| 0:38.7 | jackass in the room. Or door number two. Guys who are so terrified of taking up space that there's |
| 0:45.1 | nothing actually there. Sure, they're nice, and they're safe, but they're also the type to |
| 0:50.5 | suggest going Dutch on the first date because making any kind of move feels too |
| 0:54.4 | risky or it's not in their financial plan. And here's the darker part of all of it. |
| 1:00.0 | Men are dying by suicide at three times the rate of women, but they won't ask for help. And honestly, |
| 1:06.8 | I get it. The message they're getting is confusing as hell. Be vulnerable but not weak. Be strong |
| 1:13.6 | but not aggressive. Lead but don't be controlling. No wonder they're paralyzed. The thing is, |
| 1:20.6 | we're all paying for this mess. When the men in our lives are walking around dead inside, |
| 1:26.6 | our relationships suffer. |
| 1:29.3 | Our kids learn that strength means shutting down. |
| 1:32.3 | Everyone loses when half the population is too scared to show up authentically. |
| 1:37.3 | Carl Young wrote about the wounded healer, the person whose deepest pain becomes their greatest gift. A lot of men have learned to be incredibly sensitive to everyone else's feelings |
| 1:49.0 | because they've completely numbed their own. |
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