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We the People

The Texas Abortion Law and the Future of Roe

We the People

National Constitution Center

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4.6 • 1.1K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2021

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Last week, the Supreme Court declined to temporarily halt, and thus allowed to go into effect, a new Texas law that bans abortion after six weeks of pregnancy—effectively banning most abortions in the state. The law is unusual in that, instead of enacting criminal penalties as a method of enforcement, it enables others to sue anyone who violates the law for money damages. On this week’s episode, host Jeffrey Rosen is joined by constitutional law scholars Kate Shaw and Sarah Isgur to explain what exactly the Texas law says, the motivations and legal theory behind it, and why it was structured the way it was specifically in order to be hard to challenge—given that it directly violates constitutional precedents like Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which protect the constitutional right to abortion pre-viability (around 22-24 weeks). Shaw and Isgur also consider whether the type of enforcement mechanism that makes this Texas law unique might be replicated in other states for abortion restrictions or gun control. They also unpack the Supreme Court’s brief ruling declining to intervene at this time, its reasoning, and how it compares to other recent emergency rulings like the COVID-19 cases and the eviction moratorium. Kate Shaw is a professor at Cardozo Law and a co-host of the Supreme Court podcast Strict Scrutiny. Sarah Isgur is staff writer at The Dispatch and co-host of the legal podcast Advisory Opinions. This episode was recorded just before the Justice Department announced that it will sue the state of Texas over this law—although our guests provide some pre-emptive speculation on what such a lawsuit may look like.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Jeffrey Rosen, president and CEO of the National Constitution Center, and welcome

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to We The People, a weekly show of constitutional debate.

0:11.3

The National Constitution Center is a nonpartisan nonprofit chartered by Congress

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to increase awareness and understanding of the Constitution among the American people.

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The Supreme Court recently decided not to enjoin the enforcement of a Texas law,

0:26.1

which allows private citizens to sue those who perform aid or abet abortions after about six weeks of pregnancy.

0:35.9

On today's episode, we will explore what makes Texas's law unusual,

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the legal theories that give rise to it, why the Supreme Court has refused to intervene,

0:47.0

and how this might impact the future of Roby Wade.

0:51.0

I'm joined by two of America's leading constitutional scholars and the two people in America were best able to shed light on this question and help all of us understand it.

1:00.0

Sarah Isger is a staff writer for the dispatch and host of the legal podcast

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advisory opinions. She's also a political contributor to ABC News.

1:08.8

Sarah, thank you so much for joining. Thank you.

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And Kate Shaw is professor of law and co-director. so much for joining. Thank you.

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And Kate Shaw is professor of law

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and co-director of the Florsheimer Center

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for Constitutional Democracy.

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She recently edited the book reproductive rights

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and justice stories

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and is a co-host of the Supreme Court

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podcast, strict scrutiny, as well as a contributor

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to ABC News.

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