Welcome to the Virgast, the flagship podcast of robot barrisas.

I'm your friend David Pierce and I am sitting here doing cold brew research.

So about a year ago I started making overnight oats a lot. I really

like the idea of being able to right before I go to bed basically make my breakfast ticket

in the fridge and then it's ready for me when I get up in the morning. It's really helpful

having a kid around in the house who also needs breakfast and likes to just run in circles starting at 5 a.m.

But it also just feels nice. It's like one less decision I have to make when I first wake up in the morning.

So I've started trying to do the same thing with coffee making cold brew.

I drink iced coffee of some kind, basically 365 days a year, but I also like the idea of being

able to do it the night before and then wake up and the thing is ready for me and I just pour it and start the day.

That seems nicer than what I do now, which is like a 10 minute process of weighing things on a scale and gently pouring in

concentric circles. It's just too much. But boy did I not realize how deep the

rabbit hole of cold brew is. The ratios, the amount of time you're supposed to do it for, the thing you put the cold brew in, it's supposed to be really simple. You put in beans, you pour in water, the end. Time happens and then you have coffee. Nope. Turns out, like all

coffee things, it is super complicated. But luckily for me, this is what we're doing on the vergecast today

is we're talking about coffee.

For this episode, which is the second episode in our mini series

that we've been calling how to make it in the future,

I'm talking to a guy named David Kogan who you might

know as the Unlocker on YouTube. He's been a tech creator for a really long time

doing lots of reporting and lots of cool camera test videos recently and he's been a

been a creator on YouTube since like 2009.

He's been around this for a long time.

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