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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

The Tech Coup: How to Save Democracy from Silicon Valley with Marietje Schaake

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8684 Ratings

🗓️ 3 March 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Marietje Schaake is a Fellow at Stanford University’s Cyber Policy Center and Stanford’s Institute for Human-Centered Artificial Intelligence. As a Dutch politician, she also served as a member of the European Parliament from the Netherlands between 2009 and 2019. She was appointed to the United Nations High-Level Advisory Body on AI in 2023. With the announcement that Donald Trump would seek peace talks with Russia first without including Ukraine, and while U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance scolded Europe about free speech at the Munich Security Conference, many have said that we are seeing an end to the transatlantic alliance as it has been known since WWII. Schaake agreed with this concern and stated that not only is this an ending of an alliance, but that the U.S. has become an adversary to the European Union (E.U.). She explained that Vance’s speech, a week before the German election, was meant to boost the far-right Alternatives for Germany party at a precarious time. Schaake explained that while Vance portrayed Europe’s protection of speech as a lack of freedoms, she feels it is a trap to narrowly view the debate about social media and its harms through the lens of free speech. “On the one hand, European countries have very far-reaching protections of freedom of expression. It’s slightly different from the First Amendment, but it’s definitely widely protected. The whole idea that free speech is not protected in European countries is nonsense,” Schaake said. With Elon Musk taking over more and more of our government every day and ousting anyone who is not a strict loyalist, many have begun to ask when the right to free speech will falter. Join us for this vitally important conversation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Stephen Hassan with another episode of my podcast, Cult Conversations,

0:10.4

The Influence Continuum.

0:12.7

I'm so honored to have Marie Cheshachaka with me.

0:18.2

She is the International Policy Director at Stanford University Cyber Policy

0:23.1

Center, International Policy Fellow at Stanford's Institute for Human-Centered Artificial

0:31.5

Intelligence, and importantly, the author of the TechCoup, How to Save Democracy from Silicon Valley, Princeton University Press.

0:41.9

Oh my God, is this book, Preciant?

0:45.4

And I'll just add that between 2009 and 2019, Maritia served as a member of the European Parliament

0:53.8

for the Dutch Liberal Democratic Party

0:56.0

where she focused on trade, foreign affairs, and technology policies.

1:01.0

And you write a monthly column for Financial Times and serve on the UN's AI advisory body.

1:08.3

And you are an advisory board member with a number of nonprofits, including

1:12.7

Merricks, M-E-R-I-C-S, E-C-F-R. We're going to put all of this in the blog. And I learned

1:22.3

about your existence from my friend and colleague Dave Troy's podcast when he did an interview with you on Dave

1:29.6

Troy Presents and I'm like, oh my God, I want to see if she would grant me an interview and I was

1:35.7

surprised you did. So I'm very, very grateful. And since that interview, as of this morning,

1:43.7

we're recording this February 17th, we're hearing Vance

1:47.8

tell the Europeans that they should have more free speech, which means allow more

1:53.8

radicalization online, in my opinion, by Musk, etc. We're seeing Trump send somebody to Russia and talking to Putin about

2:05.0

Ukraine, and it's just a mess. And you have been following this lens for so many years. You're

2:16.4

one of the top experts. So please share about the tech

2:22.0

coup and also please share what you think my listeners need to know about what's happening

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