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Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

The Hidden Influence of Occult Beliefs on World Politics with Joe Szimhart

Cult Conversations: The Influence Continuum with Dr. Steve Hassan

Dr. Steven Hassan

Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education

4.8684 Ratings

🗓️ 10 March 2025

⏱️ 63 minutes

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Summary

“How did I get to the point where I am upset with this current administration?” Joe Szimhart asks at the start of this week’s Cult Conversations: Influence Continuum episode. His journey from a self-described “cult believer” to a leading expert on esoteric religious movements offers invaluable insights into how authoritarian influence takes hold in both spiritual and political spheres. Like Joe, I transformed my experience in my former cult, the Moonies, into a lifelong mission to understand undue influence and help others regain their minds. We are coming together on this episode because we are on alert about the dangerous overlap between authoritarian influence and today’s political landscape. Our conversation reveals a sobering truth: self-indoctrination can be just as powerful as formal brainwashing—and no one is immune. Being well-read won’t help you to avoid getting recruited into a cult. Nor will being highly intelligent protect you and or being happy. However, psychoeducation will help you learn how to identify destructive cults and what research you need to do before giving them your contact information or agreeing to do any activity with strangers- no matter how attractive the recruiter is. We talk about Agni Yoga and Church Universal and Triumphant cults- and how Vlamimir Putin and his wife were devotees of Agni Yoga and Michael Flynn did a “decree” from Elizabeth Clare Prophet’s cult. Flynn traveled the USA with the Moonies cult for their Rod Of Iron Freedom Festivals recruiting for Trump and the supposed “civil war” to come. This is a fascinating interview. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, I'm Dr. Steven Hassan with another episode of my podcast, Cult Conversations,

0:09.7

The Influence Continuum with me, Dr. Steve Hassan.

0:15.6

And I have a respected colleague of decades of knowing Joe Zimart working with him on some cases. He helps

0:25.2

me with clients because he has just a depth of knowledge and experience in the world of cults.

0:33.4

I will say he calls himself a cult intervention specialist.

0:38.3

He's also been a media consultant since the early 80s.

0:42.3

He's been helping families and individuals internationally.

0:47.3

You're a very talented artist.

0:51.3

You have certificates and just your art is a testimony to your talent.

0:58.1

You've also worked as a caseworker at a psychiatric emergency hospital in Pennsylvania for 25

1:03.7

years. So you actually know a lot about mental health and talk to a lot of people coming in

1:09.7

who said that Jesus as you shared in past

1:13.6

episodes with me. And lastly, I just want to say, like me, who had a firsthand experience

1:21.0

with a cult, and that's what kind of fueled my initial passion for this field.

1:35.3

You got curious about Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society and related movements,

1:42.9

including Agni Yoga, I Am Activity, Church Universal and Triumphant of Elizabeth Cleoprofit.

1:47.6

And you defected from CUT.

1:53.9

And you read a lot of books.

1:57.1

I read a lot of books, but I think you beat me on that.

1:58.3

But you write reviews.

2:00.8

So you definitely are amazing. So I just want to say, Joe,

2:03.1

we're on a signal thread where we're sharing what we're seeing in the media and the news

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