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The Tech Behind Signalgate + Dwarkesh Patel's "Scaling Era" + Is A.I. Making Our Listeners Dumb?

Hard Fork

The New York Times

Technology

4.55.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2025

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

“The group chats are popping off at the highest levels of government.”

Transcript

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0:00.8

Listen to this.

0:02.9

This week I checked my credit card bill, normally a pretty boring process in my life,

0:08.2

and I see a number that astonishes me in its size and gravity.

0:13.9

And so the first thing I think is, how much DoorDash is it possible to eat in one month?

0:18.1

Have I hit some new level of depravity?

0:23.1

But then I go through the statement and I find a charge that is from the heating and plumbing company that I used to use

0:30.5

when I lived in the home of Kara Swisher. Caras Wisher, of course, the iconic technology journalist,

0:36.6

friend and mentor, originator of the iconic technology journalist, friend, and mentor,

0:40.6

originator of the very podcast feed that we're on today, Kevin. And former landlord of Casey Newton.

0:42.4

Former landlord of me.

0:44.6

And when I investigated, it turned out that Kara Swisher had charged my credit card for $18,000.

0:53.3

For what? What costs $18,000? I don't know what is going on, but it costs $18,000. For what? What costs $18,000?

0:55.0

I don't know what is going on, but it costs $18,000 to fix.

1:00.0

And until I made a few phone calls yesterday, that was going to be my problem.

1:04.0

So here's what I want to say to the people of America.

1:06.0

You need to watch these landlords.

1:07.0

You might think that you're out from underneath their thumb, but they will still

1:11.4

come for you and they will put $18,000 on your credit card if you do not watch them. Now, this is

1:16.6

slightly terrifying to me, the idea that Kara has access to your credit card in some way, shape, or

1:21.9

form. Well, and I should say, basically it was on file with the heating and plumbing company.

1:26.7

So I'm not sure that I could

1:28.0

actually blame Kara for this, but I did have to talk to her about it. Oh, she's crafty. I think

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