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Welcome to The Athletic Football Show. I am Derek Classen. Robert is on vacation. Again, he is in Italy. And so in his stead, we are bringing in a good friend, Dave Helman, who obviously, you know, if you guys remember from the free agency show, he joined us for a little bit and helped with that. So he is here for a full episode today. And he's going to help me talk about some of the teams that this off season, we just don't feel like we can get a good handle on. And I think we both approach this from a different lens. And that's kind of part of the beauty of just throwing out a script to whoever you're doing the show with and seeing where they land on it. my view was a little bit more looking at teams over and unders and being like that feels a little bit weird.

I don't really know if I like that. I don't know if that squares with, you know, the hype that they're getting or how I feel about them. And I think Dave took this a little bit more from the angle of who does this team think they are and where do they think they're going. And so I think we had a really good mix of teams here,

just about seven or eight teams that we just, you know, it's July and we still don't feel like

we have a good handle of who they are. And I'm not sure we will by this time the season kicks

off in September. So here to help me finish that show is Dave Hellman. Let's get to it.

All right. It's time to talk about the teams that we can't quite get a handle on,

whether that's going to be teams that, I don't know, you look at that over, under wind total,

and you're like, hmm, that doesn't really help me think about how I perceive that team.

Or you look at what they've done with their roster construction, offseason, all that jazz, and you think, I don't really get any of that.

And I don't know who you are, and I don't know where you're going. And to help me do that, we have Dave Hellman. Dave, how are you doing today? I am wonderful, Derek. Thanks for having me on, man, I'm looking forward to this.

Yeah, I appreciate you coming on.

Obviously, Robert right now is on vacation.

He is over in Italy.

And so we're bringing you in to help us out, I appreciate you coming on. Obviously, Robert right now is on vacation.

He is over in Italy. And so we're bringing you in to help us out, do a little co-hosting here. And I think I'm really excited for this. Unfortunately, before we really get into the meat of the show, we've got some bad news about Tristan Wurst, obviously. It came out, I want to say a couple days ago where this show is going to come out on Friday. I believe this came out, this news came out on Wednesday.

He's going to miss the early part of the season with a knee surgery that cropped up this offseason. He had a little bit of a setback. And he's going to have some issues where he's probably going to miss at least the first four games of the season, if not more, recovering from this knee surgery.

And just to paint a picture for the people, their first four games this year are at Falcons,

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