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I Spy

The Targeter

I Spy

Foreign Policy

History, News, Society & Culture

4.82.8K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2020

⏱️ 29 minutes

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On this episode, CIA targeting officer Nada Bakos leads a two-year hunt for one of the most dangerous militants in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. This season, there’s more I Spy with I Spy Plus. Get ad-free I Spy episodes and access to weekly bonus episodes right in your favorite podcast app, plus more exclusive espionage content. Subscribe to I Spy Plus today at foreignpolicy.com/ispy. Check out I Spy's merch by going to https://store.dftba.com/collections/i-spy Save 15% on FP subscriptions. Visit https://foreignpolicy.com/subscribe/ and enter code ISPY at checkout to claim this offer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

This is I spy, the show from foreign policy where spies tell their stories.

0:07.0

We're following the vehicle and he pulls into this farm essentially with like a grove of trees that are set up to block the wind for all the buildings around there.

0:25.0

The canopy of the trees we can't see through it, so we don't know where he's gone at this point.

0:30.0

He got out and ran, and we couldn't see him. We don't have any way to tell the special operations forces on the ground like which way he went.

0:37.0

They get to the pickup and you know and capture all the belongings and everything and confirm it was him in the car

0:44.0

because he left everything behind. But yeah that was that was incredibly infuriating to get that close

0:51.1

to him without actually capturing him.

0:53.0

From foreign policy, welcome to I spy.

1:00.0

Real-life spy stories told by the people who were there. Each week we feature

1:07.2

one former intelligence operative from somewhere around the world describing one operation. I'm Margo Martindale. On today's show,

1:18.2

Nade Bocos, a CIA targeter, led a two-year hunt for a man in Iraq.

1:25.0

Abu Musab Zarkawi, the Al-Qaeda jihadist,

1:30.0

had carried out some of the deadliest attacks of the Iraq war against Americans and Iraqis.

1:39.0

Bacchus worked on the operations side of the agency while targeting Zarkowi, but she started her career

1:46.3

with the CIA as an analyst. Her story begins in 2003 after the first round of America's major combat operations in Iraq.

1:57.0

After the start of the war, they were looking for volunteers that would go to Iraq in order to help continue to work on whether or not we can find information that ties Al Qaeda and 9-11 to Iraq.

2:16.7

So our team had to volunteer and we were sending one person at a time and I just

2:21.0

volunteered to be the second person on our team to fly there.

2:25.8

The agency had started sending analysts into conflict zones and war zones prior to 9-11, but after 9-11, they needed that subject matter expertise on the ground.

2:36.8

So they sent them into Afghanistan, and then they sent them into Iraq.

2:41.4

Analysts were working alongside the operations colleagues because it was just much more efficient

2:48.0

to do that on the ground versus waiting for that information to come back to headquarters.

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