Welcome to Sex, Body and Soul.

I'm Kate Roberts, founder of the Body Agency,

and on this show, we talk about the marvel that is our bodies and souls,

what they can do and what we need to thrive.

You out there, listen up.

We have some pretty hard but juicy conversations here,

and you need to hear this.

Let's go.

My next guest, Peter Bergen,

is a TV journalist, an Emmy-winning producer and filmmaker, a professor, a New York Times best-selling author. You might have seen Peter on CNN discussing national security issues and he's even interviewed Osama bin Laden.

We're going to hear that story.

He is the host of the podcast in the room with Peter Bergen.

And we are going to delve into his incredible and sometimes dangerous life as a journalist,

as well as really trying to understand the Taliban. Welcome to the show,

Peter Bogan. Peter, my friend, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. It is so good to see you.

I was thinking earlier today, how long we've known each other, and you were actually one of my first

friends when I came to America,

which was over 20 years ago. And doesn't time fly?

Time does fly.

I have been so impressed by your career and your guts in doing this work that you're doing.

I don't know how you pack it all in, but your career has been bust,

and it has constantly taken you back to the Middle East. And I'm curious, Peter,

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