On this episode of Narcissist Apocalypse Q&A, everyone.

I am Brandon Chadwick, and with me today we have Erica Shalene Hull.

How are you?

I'm doing great.

It's great being here with you.

Well, thank you for being here with us today.

And today we are going to talk about financial abuse,

economic abuse. But before we get to that, if you want to be a guest on our show,

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So today we are talking with Erica Shalene Hull, and you wrote a book with someone named Dr. Cheryl Newell

Jackson, and the book is called, but that's not me, changing the story of interpersonal abuse.

But before we actually get to your story and to discuss the economic abuse, but before we actually get to your story and to discuss the economic abuse and the

financial abuse of everything, take us through how you and Dr. Cheryl Newell Jackson met

and the whole kind of story around how this book came to be because it's a very

unique thing that happened. It is. Well, thanks again for having me. I really appreciate it.

It's a great amazing story. I feel like it's one of power and just when you listen to the voices inside you and it's a good thing.

I was in 2019, I was in Washington, D.C., speaking at a Christian women's homeschooling

conference, and Dr. Cheryl Jill Jackson was there as well, and I got to sit in her workshop. It's

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