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I'm very fascinated by the story because it's just like a complicated tale between women

and it's kind of this tragic love story. And I feel like it was very okay to villainize

youl under writing this book. I wanted to complicate that. Melissa Lasada, Oliva is a Guatemalan

Colombian American poet, screenwriter and educator as well as the co-host of the podcast,

Say More. She is the author of a really truly incredible novel inverse called Dreaming of

You, the surreal story of bringing 90s Mexican American pop star Selena back to life through

a seance and the disastrous consequences that follow. Today, along with our producer Miranda,

we'll talk about the life and death of Selena, who was murdered by what the media dubbed

a crazed fan. And we'll talk about the power of poetry and song lyrics when you're young,

as well as our favorite karaoke songs and the ghosts that sing through us.

Hey, Melissa. Hi, what's up? We're so excited to have you here talking to us about the wonderful

world of pop. Thanks for having me. I love pop. Love pop. Pop it. Bob it. Slap it. Yeah.

You guys, do you know that I do you know this about me, Melissa, that I beat pop it once?

And by that, I mean, I got to the end and it threw me a party. It threw a whole pop it

party and it wouldn't let me go any farther. Oh, wow. What is a pop it party? Did people

like come out of the walls? What happened? Yeah. It was kind of a cool, laid man. It just

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