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Welcome to The Spectator Podcast. I'm Lara Prendergast.

For a certain type of social democrat, no country gets them quite as hot and bothered as Sweden.

As Toby Livendale writes in this week's Spectator cover story, Sweden's long regarded itself as a humanitarian superpower, taking in 650,000 asylum seekers

over the past 15 years. But by far the biggest issue is integration, and this was brought to

Stark British detention last week when a Birmingham schoolboy was murdered by a grenade in

Gothenburg. So, what has gone wrong in Sweden?

And what can the UK learn from Sweden's approach to refugees?

I'm now joined by Ivor Arpi from Svenska, D'Vlodei,

and spectator-Editor Fraser Nelson.

So, Iva, what's going on in Sweden right now?

Well, basically, the Swedish idealism ran into a big wall called reality during the autumn of

2015. The big problem was that we didn't have a frank discussion about migration before that.

And it's just because of the sheer immense number of refugees or asylum seekers that came to Sweden that we started

to have the debate after the fact, so to speak, the system was crammed before this crisis

started. The capacity to integrate children who came to Sweden unaccompanied minors was already stretched so there wasn't

any place left for them. And then the crisis hit with 35,000 unaccompanied minors. But now in

some cities in certain age groups, for example in the later teen years, a third of all the

children in those cohorts are actually

unaccompanied minors, primarily from Afghanistan. What we have to do is basically build a lot more

schools and we have to have educated people that know their languages and we have to make them

catch up. Realistically, nobody is expecting them to do that.

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