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Welcome to GrowCook Eat Arrange, the podcast of me, Sarah Raven, and at the moment, various different guests joining me most of the time, sometimes on my own, but most of the time.

And by popular demand, I've actually invited Adam Nicholson, my husband, back on.

He did one with me just before Christmas about our New Year's resolutions.

And I've got him to come back today because one of the things that we both feel passionately about here

is the use of our own wood or certainly British grown wood in the garden.

One of the rules I've had here, to be honest, initially on aesthetic grounds, is that I really

didn't want to use bamboo canes here and import them from the other side of the world for our staking for growing our

beans and our sweet peas. And so 30 years ago when I first started making the garden, I actually

used hazel poles for our sweet peas and silver birch for tea peas and chestnut steaks for

slightly chunkier things where we're making bigger arches

and stuff. So we've both kind of gone on thinking about and looking into how you can use

our own grown wood or locally harvested wood in the garden rather than importing it because

it feels better in terms of sustainability

but also of course it is better in terms of wildlife and biodiversity so adam is our leading

expert on this at perch hill he is well that's nice that's a first. Our leading expert.

Our leading expert, yeah.

Well, in an exceptionally local sense, I would say, I know more than the dogs.

Probably not, actually.

No, you do know.

So, first of all, why is it better to use our own local wood rather than bamboo canes? I mean, what can you add to what I've

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