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Think from KERA

The surprising power of willful forgetting

Think from KERA

KERA

Society & Culture, 071003, Think, Krysboyd, Kera

4.7911 Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2024

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

When it comes to prosecuting Jan. 6 cases, maybe we should take a top-down approach and not bottom up. Linda Kinstler is a visiting researcher at Georgetown University and a junior fellow at Harvard. She joins host Krys Boyd to discuss the idea of “oblivion,” allowing society to forgive low-level offenders in order to heal a fractured society. Her recent essay in The New York Times is “Jan. 6, America’s Rupture and the Strange, Forgotten Power of Oblivion.”



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At the end of the Peloponnesian War, a savage new group of leaders took Athens by storm.

0:15.7

In the eight months, they managed to hang on to power.

0:18.3

The 30 tyrants, as they came to be called, stole untold amounts

0:22.1

of civilian property, eliminated political adversaries, and killed 5% of the population.

0:28.7

When Athenians finally seized back control, the tyrants, of course, had to be dealt with,

0:32.9

either exiled or prosecuted. But what about all the subordinates, the foot soldiers and guards and record keepers?

0:39.3

Did it really make sense to hold them accountable to the same degree as the mastermind?

0:43.3

From KERA in Dallas, this is Think. I'm Chris Boyd.

0:48.3

Athenians who survived the 30 tyrants decided instead on oblivion for those who did unforgivable things fighting for the bad

0:55.8

guys but weren't ever really in charge. The deal was they could return to polite society and

1:01.6

everybody agreed to pretend the era of the tyrants had never happened. It might sound like they just

1:07.2

got off without punishment. But in fact, the decision was less about those low-level

1:11.8

lackeys than about allowing the rest of Athens to focus on the future rather than endlessly

1:16.4

litigating the past. My guest thinks it's an idea that could work for our fractured country

1:21.5

in the 21st century. Linda Kinsler is junior fellow at the Harvard Society of Fellows and

1:27.4

author of Come to This Court and Cry, How the Holocaust Ends.

1:31.3

Her essay, January 6th, America's Rupter and the Strange Forgotten Power of Oblivion appeared in the New York Times.

1:38.3

Linda, welcome to think.

1:40.4

Hi, thank you so much for having me on.

1:43.1

So the term of art here is oblivion, and I'm not sure everybody is familiar with the particular

1:48.0

usage that we'll be talking about in this conversation. What do we need to understand about

1:53.0

what it means?

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