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Hey, Nick.

Hey, Hannah.

Right off the bat here, I need to let you, not you, Nick, but the person who is listening to this right now, know that I sometimes struggle to find hope.

Hope about understanding this nation, participating in this nation, accessing this nation.

I'm always looking for it and I know it's there. participating in this nation, accessing this nation.

I'm always looking for it, and I know it's there somewhere, but I don't always see it.

Even though that's what we do on a daily basis, like try to understand, try to participate, try to access.

It might be because that's what we do on a daily basis, right?

Like all day, every day, trying to wrap our hearts and minds around this country. And even when I do grasp it myself, I am always wondering, do other people? Does that mean something to them? Does that help them?

Strengthen them. Or does America feel out of reach?

I am with you there, Hannah. I do understand that. Because the more I learn about this country and its systems, the more secure I feel, honestly.

Or maybe the more I feel I have some say in what goes on here.

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