They have enabled, you know, the mega-rich to buy influence and access to the Supreme Court as well.

You know, one of the most stunning lines, I think, in the Supreme Court's opinion is from Citizens

United versus Federal Election Commission, where they suggested that massive amounts of political

spending would, of course, not lead to the appearance of corruption and not cause Americans to lose faith in our

democracy. And I think we've all seen what Elon Musk did, pour in several hundred millions of

dollars, and thereby basically purchase himself the presidency and access to the presidency.

And you're telling me that doesn't give off the stench of corruption and doesn't

cause people to question our democracy. Come on, get real.

All right, folks, you're going to need it today, baby.

Trust me.

My guest is Leah Lutman.

She is a professor of law at the University of Michigan

and a former Supreme Court clerk.

In addition to co-hosting strict scrutiny,

she writes frequently about the court for media and other outlets,

including the Washington Post, Slate, and The Atlantic.

She's appeared as a commentator on NPR in my network of MSNBC, as well as other spots

on the telly, as they say. She has received the Ruth Bader Ginsburg Award for her scholarly excellence from the American Constitution Society and published in top law reviews.

But all of that, all of that is the backdrop for her visit with us today.

And that is her new book, Lawless, how the Supreme Court runs on conservative grievance, fringe

theories, and bad vibes. We get into those bad vibes. We get into that grievance, those fringe

theories. We get into all of it, which is why I brought along my little friend. You're going to

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