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All right, coming up, a ghost story with a kind of flat ending, if I'm totally honest about it.

Not to ruin it beforehand, but, you know,

we're going to talk inflation and Project 2025,

which everybody's asking about,

and then some classic grievances.

You guys are going to enjoy this one.

From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle.

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place we get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of my take.

I'm your host, Isaac Saul, and I'm sitting here with Ari Whiteman, who has a ghost story that he wants to tell to start the Tangle podcast.

I think that's a, like, should we just,

just like lean right in? Let's just hop right into it. I don't know if you remember before I left

for my trip through Wisconsin. I said I was going to visit a place that I used to farm in Illinois.

Do you remember that? It was kind of the cliffhanger, I thought.

Yeah, and you talked a little about the ghost thing, and then I asked you on the podcast,

if you genuinely believed in ghosts, I couldn't tell or not, and I felt like your answer

taught me a lot about you that I didn't really know.

Well, part of that was informed by this experience I had in Illinois.

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