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Straight White American Jesus

The Sunday Interview: Desire, Shame & Masculinity with Jay Stringer

Straight White American Jesus

Axis Mundi Media: Bradley Onishi + Daniel Miller

Politics, News

4.72K Ratings

🗓️ 29 March 2026

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Brad Onishi sits down with therapist and author Jay Stringer to explore his new book Desire, a deep dive into how we form identity, intimacy, and meaning in a world shaped by shame and disconnection. Jay reflects on his upbringing as a pastor’s kid immersed in evangelical purity culture, including harmful messaging around sexuality reinforced by spaces like Liberty University. Together, they unpack how teachings that equate arousal with sin create lifelong shame cycles, especially for young men, and how cultural artifacts like Every Man's Battle reinforced these patterns. The conversation introduces the concept of differentiation—borrowed from biology—as a key to healthy relationships, using the metaphor of a symphony to illustrate how individuality enables deeper intimacy rather than threatening it. From there, Brad and Jay broaden the lens to examine what it means to live a meaningful life in 2026. Drawing on thinkers like Annie Dillard and Albert Camus, they explore how meaning emerges not in spite of life’s absurdity, but in response to it. They discuss the stories we inherit, the “provisional selves” we construct, and the midlife invitation to interrogate what we’ve been taught to value. The episode also tackles masculinity and vulnerability, arguing that domination and hyper-masculinity often mask unaddressed trauma, and that true connection requires risk and emotional honesty. Ultimately, they frame defiance—not despair—as the path forward: a refusal to believe our lives don’t matter, and a commitment to building lives rooted in connection, purpose, and resistance to dehumanizing cultural forces. Subscribe for $3.65: ⁠https://axismundi.supercast.com/⁠ Subscribe to our free newsletter: ⁠https://swaj.substack.com/⁠ Order American Caesar by Brad Onishi: ⁠https://static.macmillan.com/static/essentials/american-caesar-9781250427922/⁠ Donate to SWAJ: https://axismundi.supercast.com/donations/new Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:10.0

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0:43.8

Today I welcome Jay Stringer to the program who's the author of a new book called Desire.

0:49.6

And it's all about meaning, longing, and the ways that we give purpose to our life. This may seem like a little

0:56.5

bit of an outlier of an interview for this show, but I wanted to invite Jayon to talk about this

1:02.4

because I'm not going to lie. This is a moment where it can feel bleak and the sense of meaning

1:08.5

and purpose for our lives can fade away as we battle moment by moment

1:12.7

to keep dignity and any sense of safety during a political time of ice rates, deportations,

1:22.2

war, and so much carnage. One of the things we talked about is how we give meaning to our lives

1:27.8

and the stories that we tell.

1:30.1

I don't think that Jay and I agree about everything.

1:32.5

I don't think that we see the world

1:33.8

the exact same way.

1:35.9

But I did learn a bunch from his book,

1:38.2

and I hope that you take away a lot

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