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Straight White American Jesus

The Sunday Interview: Deconstructing Wellness Culture: Yoga, Mindfulness, and Appropriation

Straight White American Jesus

Axis Mundi Media: Bradley Onishi + Daniel Miller

News, Politics

4.72K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2026

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of Straight White American Jesus, host Brad Onishi sits down with Dr. Liz Bucar, religious ethicist and professor at Northeastern University, to unpack the hidden costs of the modern wellness industry. Exploring themes from her new book, Beyond Wellness: How Restoring the Religious Roots of Spiritual Practices Can Heal Us, Dr. Bucar argues that consumer culture has stripped profound traditions like yoga, mindfulness, and psychedelics into a "spiritual salad bar"—trading real transformation for quick dopamine hits. Through her own raw, firsthand experiences—including a grueling silent Buddhist retreat and a transformative ayahuasca ceremony while processing the grief of losing her father—she illustrates why separating these embodied practices from their ethical, communal roots ultimate leaves us spiritually malnourished. The conversation dives deep into the ethics of cultural appropriation and extraction, questioning how affluent Westerners commodify sacred traditions while the minoritized communities who sustained them struggle to survive. From analyzing Alcoholics Anonymous as the original "spiritual but not religious" program to unpacking a 97-year-old monk's parable on why we fail to find enlightenment, Dr. Bucar and Brad challenge listeners to move beyond self-care and re-engage with true community and obligation. Whether you practice daily meditation, teach yoga, or are simply curious about the intersection of religion and consumerism, this episode is a vital look at what it actually takes to dig a deep spiritual well. Subscribe for $3.65: ⁠https://axismundi.supercast.com/⁠ Subscribe to our free newsletter: ⁠https://swaj.substack.com/⁠ Order American Caesar by Brad Onishi: ⁠https://static.macmillan.com/static/essentials/american-caesar-9781250427922/⁠ Donate to SWAJ: https://axismundi.supercast.com/donations/new Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

AXIS Mundi.

0:07.0

What's up everyone? Brad Onishi here with the one and only Rosa Oslon, and we've got something you do not want to miss.

0:21.1

That's right, Brad.

0:22.2

The brand new season of Our Seven Neighbors from the Interreligious Institute at Chicago Theological

0:27.4

Seminary is lives right now.

0:30.0

And this year, the United States marks its 250th anniversary.

0:34.9

We're stepping back to ask a big question.

0:38.1

What is the real story of religion in America?

0:41.5

This season, we're lifting up the deep history of spiritual diversity in the United States

0:45.5

and revisiting the founders' very different visions for the role of religion and public life.

0:50.2

The truth is, there's never been just one religious story in this country.

0:53.5

There have always been many.

0:54.2

Exactly. From the earliest days of the republic, debates about faith, freedom, pluralism,

0:59.7

and power shaped the nation. Some founders imagined a country with strong protections for religious

1:05.2

liberty. Others had narrower visions, and alongside them were native traditions, enslaved African spiritual practices,

1:12.5

immigrant faith communities, all shaping America in ways that often go untold.

1:18.6

Instead of repeating a tidy, mythic narrative, this season tells a braver, more accurate

1:22.5

story, one that honors the breathtaking diversity that's always been here.

1:26.8

If you care about how religion has shaped American democracy,

1:29.9

if you want to understand how spiritual communities have fueled movements for justice,

1:35.1

if you're ready for a fuller account of our shared history,

1:38.0

this season is for you.

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