The Sunday Debate: Blame Liberals For the Rise of Populism

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🗓️ 5 June 2022

⏱️ 66 minutes

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A delve into the archive and back to 2019 when we debated a motion asking whether the left’s policies of high immigration and multiculturalism caused the disaffection which has given rise to populism? Or was it the right, with its tabloid scare stories about foreigners eroding national identity? We were joined by Matthew Goodwin, Professor of Politics at Kent University; politician Daniel Hannan; Elif Shafak, award-winning novelist; and John Simpson, BBC World Affairs Editor, columnist and author. The discussion was chaired by BBC journalist and broadcaster Ritula Shah. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Hello, I'm Ian Stirling and I'm with one of McCain's farmers who grow their potatoes hang on these are odd-looking potatoes
0:06.0	That's kale Ian. You do know you need potato to make chips, right?
0:10.5	Yes, but we don't just grow potatoes. We actually rotate different crops to help keep the soil healthy. So we eat McCain chips
0:16.8	I'm helping do some good. Exactly. Yeah, you're supporting the move to regenerative farming
0:22.3	By the way, I do know the difference between kale and potatoes
0:26.1	Of course you do.
0:27.6	McCain, let's all chip in.
0:30.8	I mean Stirling and today I'm at a McCain potato field being chased by a massive war
0:36.4	It's just a lady bird Ian. Well, it had a real war spanner, Jay. Why are they here? Well, we plot wildflowers to help encourage wildlife
0:44.7	Like birds and insects. So we eat McCain chips. I'm helping do some good. Yeah, exactly. You're supporting the move to regenerative farming
0:52.1	Okay, this time it's definitely a wasp. My life's in danger
0:55.8	Ian, that's a butterfly. McCain, let's all chip in
1:01.2	Welcome to intelligent squared. I'm Connor Boyle
1:04.7	It's the Sunday debate and this week we're diving back into the archive to
1:08.8	2019 when we debated the rise of populism in recent years and the forces that are shaping it
1:16.7	Next week we'll be hosting a debate discussing whether Brexit could be regarded as a sensible thing to have undertaken by the United Kingdom
1:24.0	One of the main criticisms of the issue has always been its oversimplification of nationality and its links to populist rhetoric
1:30.8	But who created the fertile ground for the populists in this debate from 2019
1:35.6	We gathered the BBC's world affairs editor John Simpson award-winning novelist Elif Shefac academic and author Matthew Goodwin and politician Daniel Hannon to discuss what part
1:46.1	Liberalism and liberals played in the rise of populism. Here's our host BBC Radio 4's riddala Shah with more
1:54.2	Welcome
1:57.1	Welcome everyone. It's great to see so many of you here on a day on which we've seen a historic political split with the departure of seven MPs from Labour and the formation of a breakaway party
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