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Hi, Katie. Hi, Olivia. This episode is going to be a little bit different than our usual one,

because in this episode, my guests are the writer-producer and the director for an upcoming episode of the PBS documentary series The American Experience,

which airs next week.

I happen to know one of the scholarly guests on that episode is one Olivia Mickle.

Hey, yeah.

So, cool.

So this is a bit of flipping the script.

I was their guest expert and now they're my guest experts.

Cool.

And have you basically lived your dream?

Yeah, it's still...

Was it on your bucket list?

Have you a talking head on PBS?

It was so far off my bucket list as inconceivable and would never, ever happen.

The whole thing was very surreal.

This is not happening.

I'm not really here.

But it turns out I was, and it did.

So,

Cool.

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