Sub-C cables are high-capacity fiber-optic lines laid along the ocean floor to enable global communication by transmitting data between continents.

Spanning thousands of miles, they carry an estimated 95% of international internet, phone, and data transmissions.

Critically, these cables are vulnerable to sabotage by state actors, as they form critical infrastructure

for global communication and economic stability. Indeed, Russia and China have been implicated

in activities targeting sub-sea cables as recently as November 24, and experts warn that these

networks are likely to be focal points in future conflicts, heightening

geopolitical tensions. Josh Jaziza is a reporter for The Verge and has covered the subsea

cable industry and the strategic importance of subsea cables. He joins the podcast alongside Gregor

Van to discuss this invisible and increasingly important network infrastructure.

Gregor Van is a security focused technologist and is the founder and CTO of MailPass.

Previously, Gregor was a CTO across cybersecurity, cyber insurance, and general software engineering

companies. He has been based in Asia Pacific for almost a decade and can be found via his profile at vand.hk.

Hi, welcome to Software Engineering Daily. Today we've got Josh Jezza. Very exciting to have you here today, Josh. Thanks for having me. Yeah, so Josh, you are a writer at The Verge. And I think a lot of our listeners will certainly know The Verge. And you've done a lot of things before that as well.

So yeah, maybe, you know, today's topic, we're really all interested about subsea cables,

which is a pretty esoteric topic in many ways. But as we'll probably get into, is incredibly

interesting, especially for software developers, maybe not appreciating just how much

cables drive their daily life.

But yeah, I mean, maybe if you just give us a quick background on sort of like, how did you get into sort of tech writing generally?

And then what sort of led to this? You wrote a specific article for the merger on subsea cables.

Curious to know how you kind of got into that. Yeah, I've always been interested in technology

and particularly the overlooked infrastructures behind technology,

whether that's sort of the people working behind the scenes

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