There was so much hope that this would be the moment when countries would actually agree on a global framework to address climate change.

Today on the show we have Christina Figueres, who's intimately familiar with the high stakes of climate

change negotiation. She became the United Nations top climate official after the

failed Copenhagen Climate Summit in 2009. That session ended up in blood, in screams, in tears, in heads of state leaving ahead of time.

It was just total disaster. Little did I know that I would then six months later be cold upon to pick up the pieces from the garbage can and say,

right, you figure out what to do with this mess.

As one of the main architects of the Paris who Right, you figure out what to do with this, man.

As one of the main architects of the Paris Agreement,

she helped bring more than 195 countries on board

to meet the climate change goals.

How do you negotiate something that is a global problem and

harness and Jiu-Jitsu, the emotions and injustices and the feelings of being burnt from

all of these different countries to take a common action for a common purpose for a common future.

Christiana's author of the new book The Future We Choose,

Surviving the Climate Crisis, co-written with Tom Rivet Karnak to outline how a radical shift in mindset

can and must lead to a shift in action.

Now you might be wondering why would a podcast that's normally about how technology's impacting society,

interview a global climate change expert who negotiated the Paris Accords.

It's because whether we act on climate or not, or on the timescales that we have,

depends on what 3 billion people believe about it.

Is it real or is it urgent or is it just an exaggeration by the media?

Is there a way to do it without breaking economic growth?

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