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The Kevin Miller Podcast

The Strategy That Outperforms Talent Or Hard Work w/ Psychologist Ron Friedman

The Kevin Miller Podcast

Kevin Miller

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4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

The two primary ingredients we think of in regards to success is talent and hard work. We tend to believe greatness comes from having above average talent and putting in your 10,000 hours. Yet if we audit everyone who has achieved relative success, we find many, maybe even most, do not have either of these. So what did they do? They just figured out what works and modeled it. Ron Friedman is an award-winning psychologist and from his research in neuroscience, human physiology and behavioral economics he wrote a book on what he found in regards to this issue, called Decoding Greatness: How the Best in the World Reverse Engineer Success. In this show I dig in and question Ron on how we can all use this reality to better embrace and accelerate our opportunities and success instead of thinking we have to be exceptionally talented or work the hardest. Sign up for your $1/month trial period at shopify.com/kevin Go to shipstation.com and use code KEVIN to start your free trial. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome. I'm Kevin Miller. This is a podcast for your personal evolution. In this episode,

0:07.0

the strategy that outperforms talent or hard work. So the two primary ingredients that we think of in

0:15.3

regards to success is talent and hard work. We tend to believe greatness comes from having above average talent, skill,

0:24.5

abilities, gifts, and then putting in your, you know, 10,000 plus hours as Malcolm Gladwell

0:30.7

showcased. Great things to have, but I feel we do ourselves a disservice to think that's the

0:37.4

holy grail.

0:38.3

If we audit everyone who has achieved a relative level of success, we find that many, maybe even most,

0:45.3

did not have greater talent or put in more hard work than other people did.

0:51.3

So what did they do?

0:52.3

They just figured out what works and they modeled it.

0:56.8

So my guest here that I'm bringing back this conversation from a few years ago, Ron Friedman.

1:03.0

He's an award-winning psychologist. And from his research and neuroscience, human physiology,

1:08.8

and behavioral economics, he wrote a book on what he found

1:11.8

in regards to this issue of success. The book's called Decoding, Decoding, Greatness,

1:18.6

how the best in the world reverse engineer success. So in this conversation, I dug in with

1:25.1

Ron and just questioned him on how we can use this,

1:29.1

really a reality of success to better embrace our achievements, our pursuits and accelerate

1:37.0

our opportunities and success again. Instead of thinking that we have to just be exceptionally

1:42.4

talented or work the hardest, which I find so many people

1:45.3

striving to become the most talented, striving to put in the hardest work, or what I often find

1:51.4

even more so is people who just feel no hope. I feel like it's a lost cause. They can never be

1:57.7

the most talented or work the hardest, which I feel as well if I look out

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