Welcome to In The Well. I'm Matt Murphy, former homicide prosecutor, and I'm joined by my co-host and friend Mark Garigos, criminal defense attorney to the stars.

Today on the show, we're going to get into the latest on the Blake lively Justin Baldoni saga with our friend Heather McDonald.

But first, Mark, let's start with the Alex Murdaugh news.

His murder convictions have been overturned.

What do you think?

Well, this is a perfect example of kind of the problems that swirl around high-profile cases. For those who don't remember,

Alex Murdoch was a very prominent South Carolina lawyer who was, I want to say, third or

fourth generation in that community, kind of thought of as a pillar of the community. Then it became apparent that there was some

embezzlement of client funds followed up on the heels of the death of his wife and son,

and he was tried for murder. My friend, as you see there, Dick Harputlian was one of his

co-lead counsel. Dick tried, I thought, a spectacular case. Truth be told, remember talking to Dick when they

were deciding the hardest decision, Matt, that a defense lawyer ever has to make,

do I put my client on the stand? And I often invoke my father, as he often said, his favorite line,

it's a rare case that gets better for the defense after the prosecution rests,

meaning if you can't try your case from a defense lawyer within the confines of the

prosecution's case in chief and make your case through cross-examination and basically the opening,

then you're somewhat desperate. Well, he put murder on and I thought he did

pretty well. I really did. But unbeknownst to the defense, the clerk of the court, a woman

named, I think Becky Hill, decided she already had a book deal of some kind.

That book deal, she surmised, would be better if he was convicted.

She went into the jury room and started badmouthing, if you will, the accused, and he ended up getting convicted.

Now, you would think this is a slam dunk reversal.

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